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The ins and outs of a CB radio and making the best of it

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3:28 am
January 13, 2010


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When installing a CB radio a lot of people with the SUV style jeeps run into issues with having a good radio, but still not much transmitting power.  This is because of SWR (Standing Wave Reflection).  a good SWR is under 1.0 but is very hard to accomplish with most CB Whip mounts for the XJ, ZJ, and WJ.  When installing a CB mount it is imperitive that the mount is grounded, and most CB antenna mounts are made from aluminum and are subject to corrosion and poor grounding.  When installing your mount, keep in mind that you want to keep the antenna as far away from the body as possible and that the mount is grounded, a good ground can be accomplished by running a ground strap from the mount to the body.  When checking the ground use a VOM (volt ohm meter) and if the mount is grounded correctly, running one lead to the mount and one lead to a known good ground, the reading should be 0.0 ohms.  If you are still having troubles getting a good ground, use bottle cap washers (the washers that look spiky) on the mount and the ground strap.  Once that is all done it is a good rule of thumb that you need to have a good antenna.  The stiff fiberglass antennas are usually pretty good but require the use of a spring, and you may run into SWR issues with a spring if it is not also grounded well to the mount.  When choosing a COAX cable, as overkill as it sounds, the longer the coax the better.  I ran my coax through the drivers side interior panels and hid the slack behind the panel where the original spare tire holder is.  Once the antenna and coax are completed, the next choice is your radio.  I found my CB at a pawn shop for 20 dollars and it is a Cobra 29 LTD.  The radio needed some work to get working such as a new meter installed in it.  While it was there I had it peaked and clipped, most CB shops only charge about $30 for the work and for example it changed my wattage output from 9watts to 16 watts, (strong enough that with my spring taken out you can hold a flourescent light tube up to the antenna and it will light up).  When running the power to your antenna make sure it is connected straight to the battery because if you run it through an empty slot in your fuse box you can run into some interference and you can hear the interference through the radio.  Another good investment is a Noise Cancelling CB mic, they are expensive but they eliminate almost all background noise and makes you that much more clear when trail riding, which if you think about it is almost more of a safety feature.

If anybody has questions or issues with their CB radio setups, please pm me with pics of your setup, such as the mount with antenna attached, and the coax used.

12:03 pm
January 13, 2010


Ronhob

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the only thing I would like to point out here is that you dont want to coil the extra coax, and I have been told NOT to buy a super long cable because it can cause interference.  I know this can be argued, but you dont need 100ft of cable in a wrangler.  I think I ran 20foot in my xj and its got plenty of extra in it, I ran mine through the headliner. 

Good info, thanks for posting.

3:27 pm
January 13, 2010


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Ronhob said:

the only thing I would like to point out here is that you dont want to coil the extra coax, and I have been told NOT to buy a super long cable because it can cause interference.  I know this can be argued, but you dont need 100ft of cable in a wrangler.  I think I ran 20foot in my xj and its got plenty of extra in it, I ran mine through the headliner. 

Good info, thanks for posting.


I have heard that the problem with coiling is most people coil it too tight and thats what causes issues.  a general rule of thumb is 18ft of coax.  you could also prove or disprove the myth by using a volt ohm meter on the coax itself and see if coiling does in fact cause problems.

6:02 pm
January 13, 2010


Electric Stooge

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Toliver09,

if your ever in my neck of the woods, I might have to have ya look at my set up. I know its good for short range, But it has not seen a very good test (save testing it against Johns).

But excelent write up. answered a few questions I had regarding cb grounds!

Mitch(1 of 3 stooges)

 

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If something electrical doesnt work right, throw a relay or 2 on it!

8:24 pm
January 13, 2010


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Hopefully I will be able to go out to a club ride soon.  If your there I could even bring my equipment with me to check them out.  What kind of radio are you using?

8:40 pm
January 13, 2010


Electric Stooge

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cheap radioshack cb. and the antenna was a kit, called "President New Mexico". its mounted in the stock antenna hole in the fender.

Mitch(1 of 3 stooges)

 

00' XJ, 5.5" Long arm, 32×11.5×15, 4.0l

If something electrical doesnt work right, throw a relay or 2 on it!

8:58 pm
January 13, 2010


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Electric Stooge said:cheap radioshack cb.


that right there may be your problem.  most cheap walmart/radioshack radios only put out about 3-5 watts depending on what it is.  Which usually will reach 1-2 miles even with the best of antennas

10:01 pm
January 13, 2010


drunkencityworker

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Just got one for xmas…do you know what the cobra 25ltd can do?

10:04 pm
January 13, 2010


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drunkencityworker said:Just got one for xmas…do you know what the cobra 25ltd can do?


a 25 i if i remember correctly is a 29 without the meter, no real inner difference and it should perform just as well.  the radio with the right antenna setup can reach several miles.

10:14 pm
January 13, 2010


Electric Stooge

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yeah, good point on the cheap part… thanks for the details on the output though. I really didnt know what made a good cb a good cb

Mitch(1 of 3 stooges)

 

00' XJ, 5.5" Long arm, 32×11.5×15, 4.0l

If something electrical doesnt work right, throw a relay or 2 on it!

10:15 pm
January 13, 2010


drunkencityworker

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yea looks just like erocks 29…I have had cb issues but all should be solved soon once I redo mine…and erock helps me tune in antenna with his 29

10:40 pm
January 13, 2010


Moparboy

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On the XJ I have a walmart cobra cb, a radio shack antenna and a speaker and I can tell you it works great on road or off. The ZJ has a smaller cobra cb and a firestick antenna and it works great as well. I guess it sort of depends on the cb radio for me cuz I have never had any issues with either one.

Evans :)

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12:24 am
January 14, 2010


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Moparboy said:

On the XJ I have a walmart cobra cb, a radio shack antenna and a speaker and I can tell you it works great on road or off. The ZJ has a smaller cobra cb and a firestick antenna and it works great as well. I guess it sort of depends on the cb radio for me cuz I have never had any issues with either one.

Evans :)


any idea how much range?  i forgot to mention this but making sure the SWR isnt high also lengthens the life of the radio, a SWR over 2.0 will burn out the finals in the radio over time.

1:32 am
January 14, 2010


Moparboy

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I get a pretty good range in both of them actually, probably about 4-5 miles worth I think. I was cruzing down 90 to my parents house in the XJ last weekend and talking to a truck at the Ohare toll both, I was at the arlington heights exit, so it might even be more now that I think about, he was coming in pretty clear as well.

Evans :)

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8:49 am
January 14, 2010


Keith

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I have a handheld GE HELP radio from the 70's.  I bought it on e-bay for $5.  Not a great radio but works well enough for wheelling!

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7:22 pm
January 16, 2010


Erock

Mokena, IL

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Toliver09 said:

Electric Stooge said:cheap radioshack cb.


that right there may be your problem.  most cheap walmart/radioshack radios only put out about 3-5 watts depending on what it is.  Which usually will reach 1-2 miles even with the best of antennas


FCC regulations are CB's 4 watt output

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1:23 pm
February 7, 2010


Truth

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I thought all CB's put out 4 watts or power. Good point about wiring right to the battery instead of the cig lighter or fusebox. I did this on my last CB and what a difference it made. Marked improvment in reception. The only thing I missed was having the CB on a key on power source so I didn't have to worry about turning it on and off. I was happy to deal with the inconvenience when I heard what a difference the power source made.

10:42 pm
February 7, 2010


Electric Stooge

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ya could put it on a relay, then tie the relay to an ignition wire… 

Mitch(1 of 3 stooges)

 

00' XJ, 5.5" Long arm, 32×11.5×15, 4.0l

If something electrical doesnt work right, throw a relay or 2 on it!

12:43 am
February 8, 2010


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Electric Stooge said:ya could put it on a relay, then tie the relay to an ignition wire… 


you could, but thats a little more work than im willing to do.  i usually only have my cb on when im trail riding anyways.

as far as fcc regulations go i believe you are right.  I was throwing out rough estimates where i shouldnt have.  I do know that after the peak and clip mod I am running about 17 watt peak.  I know for a fact that the lower cbs like the cobra 29 are significantly less powerful than say a cobra 29.  thank you for clearing up my ignorance Truth.

12:54 am
February 8, 2010


Electric Stooge

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Post edited 6:54 am – February 8, 2010 by Electric Stooge


Toliver09 said:

I know for a fact that the lower cbs like the cobra 29 are significantly less powerful than say a cobra 29.  


…… uumm… i dont get it? can ya clear that up?

Mitch(1 of 3 stooges)

 

00' XJ, 5.5" Long arm, 32×11.5×15, 4.0l

If something electrical doesnt work right, throw a relay or 2 on it!



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