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Switching to mud tires?

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7:09 pm
July 19, 2010


Ozric762

Mall Crawler

posts 218

Post edited 7:33 pm – July 19, 2010 by Ozric762


 

Currently I am using Cooper ATR's in stock size on a '99 XJ but want to switch to Cooper STT 31x10.5 or Procomp Mud terrain in 31x10.5. How much wet pavement and snow traction will I loose by going with a tire with less sipes? Could someone recomend a mud or more aggressive all terrain tire that does well in the winter?

 

Thanks

Carl

'99 XJ  3" spring pack, GY Duratrac 31x10.5, Ares Fabrication front and rear bumpers.

7:50 pm
July 19, 2010


oddball

Mud Slinger

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Post edited 8:02 pm – July 19, 2010 by Rubi04man


I can only attest to BFG All-Terrain ko's and Good Year MT/R's.  The BFG AT's on my previous KJ (Liberty) were great on snow!  They just sucked when it came to stopping on rain soaked roads.  As for the GY MT/R's (generation before the current kevlar's) are excellent on snow (and in the rain).  You would have to buy the new MT/R's with Kevlar and from what I've heard, they're great in mud, snow and all year around highway.  Only downside, they're a little too noisy for some people.

 

Fwiw, you might want to consider Goodyear Duratrac's (aggressive all-terrain tire).  Wether it was on a forum or in person, everyone I've ever met who runs those tires swears by them.  For that matter, I've never read or heard anyone complain about these tires.  I can't recall, ever hearing about a tire where (at least) some, would say otherwise.  I have to believe they're great tires.

9:20 pm
July 19, 2010


slander

Bolingbrook, Il

Daily Driver

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Mud tires are okay once you get used to them.  Ive had BFG mud terrians on all my vehicles except one, it had KOs.  The mud terrains were great it the rain, you just had to slow down a bit because they had a tendency to hydroplane a bit, nothing scary, and easily mitigated.  Int he snow, the mud terrains were pretty bad in snow under 3inchs, over 3 inchs they were awesome!!  The do not grip very well in ice and low snow accumulations because they dont pack with snow, which is what you want in a snow tire.  Again this was nothing that slowing down and using 4wd and being alert couldent mitigate.  I have the km2s now, and they are nice so far on the street, alot better than the kms, in rain they are great, havent run them in the snow yet.  IMO mud tires are fine on the street as long as you drive within their capabilities. 

2002 Toyota Tacoma extended cab TRD, V6, 5spd. OME 882s, winch, sliders, skids, 255/85/16 BFG KMS, Marlin/inchworm Dual transfer cases with 4.7:1 gears. 12:1 Rules!! Still in all of its IFS glory!!

9:44 pm
July 19, 2010


jknutter

DDO North Chapter

Moderator

posts 567

The Cooper STT tires are great!  I run 33X12.50 on my Rubicon and I'm pretty amazed on the traction in mud and rain soaked roads.  I followed a guy home last week in one of our many recent heavy downpours.  He was in a pick-up but I have no idea what shoes he was running.  Everytime we'd nail standing water his truck would skate all over while my jeep held straight as a arrow.  I have not had the pleasure of running them in the snow as I switch them out for the skinner stock MTR's during the winter.  I don't think the Jeep isn't heavy enough to push 12 1/2 inch wide tires through the snow safely.

2005 TJ Rubicon http://www.theknutters.com

4:12 pm
July 20, 2010


Ozric762

Mall Crawler

posts 218

Thanks for the replies everyone. I will look into the duratracs and the BFG's. I also will look into the Trxus MT's because it looks like all the lugs have sipes on them, so they should be decent on wet pavement too.

 

Thanks again

'99 XJ  3" spring pack, GY Duratrac 31x10.5, Ares Fabrication front and rear bumpers.

4:37 pm
July 20, 2010


oddball

Mud Slinger

posts 1190

Post edited 4:38 pm – July 20, 2010 by Rubi04man


Ozric762 said:

Thanks for the replies everyone. I will look into the duratracs and the BFG's. I also will look into the Trxus MT's because it looks like all the lugs have sipes on them, so they should be decent on wet pavement too.

 

Thanks again


As I stated, it seems you can't go wrong with Duratracs and as for TrXus MT's, another great choice to consider.  FWIW — there has been issues with the TrXus at Interco Tires but it appears now that these tires are once again available.  I just surfed over to 4 Wheel Drive Hardware (who just last month had a disclaimer TrXus tires would not be available for at least 6 months) and the tires are once again available.
 

 

ALSO —  I think you've figured out but will mention it anyway — Not all mud tires are alike.  As you stated, TrXus tires are siped and reviews I've read state they're great in all weather road conditions not to mention one of the best off-road mud tires one can buy.

 

Personally — since I thought the TrXus wouldn't be available for awhile, I was going to purchase Nitto Mud Grapplers but now I may reconsider the TrXus (again).  It will be one or the other for sure.

 

Good Luck!

6:01 pm
July 20, 2010


Ozric762

Mall Crawler

posts 218

So, performance aside, how many miles should I expect from a mud tire? On road, I'm a pretty mellow driver and I haven't been off road yet, so once I start wheeling, I'll be taking the novice and moderate trails for a while.

'99 XJ  3" spring pack, GY Duratrac 31x10.5, Ares Fabrication front and rear bumpers.

6:09 pm
July 20, 2010


oddball

Mud Slinger

posts 1190

Post edited 6:11 pm – July 20, 2010 by Rubi04man


Impossible to answer.  But you most likely can find ballpark answers to whatever tire you're interested in at > Tire Rack Research

6:18 pm
July 20, 2010


Weeeee

West Chicago, IL

Admin

posts 912

I have the Duratrac's and they seem to be wearing fairly well,  they handle great in the rain and snow.  They are pretty quiet on the road, and do quite well offroad in sand mud and rocks. 

 

I will probably be going to 33's next year and the Duratracs are still on my list along with the TrXus MT's and BFG KM2's, although the KM2's are really heavy and that kind bugs me.

Doug – 2000 TJ

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11:01 pm
July 20, 2010


BLKWJLMTD

West of Chicago

Mud Slinger

posts 767

I had the STT's in  a 32" fashion, they were great on the road, and off. Last winter, they performed exceptionally well. I didn't once lose traction even in deep snow. I highly recommend them. They did really well in rain and wet pavement. The traction was very good with these. They are a heavy tire also, and do take alot of weight to properly balance, but worth it in my opinion.

 

I'm currently running KM2's, in size 32 as well, and I can tell you these are definitely quieter and smoother riding than the STT's, which is the only downfall IMO, I love noisy tires. I haven't driven them in snow yet, but a couple trips to The Cliffs, and they did amazing. They were terrible at the Silver Lake Sand Dunes in MI. There was one hill, took me six or seven tries to get up.

 

As for the MT/R's with Kevlar, I'm already looking into getting a set in size 33. They are heavy tires, but from what I've seen, they are supposed to be 100 times better than their replacement…

 

Just my two cents. Cool

2002 WJ Limited, 4.7L V8, 3" Iron Rock Offroad Lift, Bilstein 5125 Shocks, Tenneco SS, 17" JK Rubicon Moabs, 255/75R17 BFG KM's, Cobra CB, KOR t-case skid

-DDO since 2009-

6:17 am
July 21, 2010


Weeeee

West Chicago, IL

Admin

posts 912

Adrian,

 

I remember that hill you had troubles on, how low did you have the tires aired down to?

Doug – 2000 TJ

Work in Progress

8:04 pm
July 21, 2010


Ozric762

Mall Crawler

posts 218

Post edited 9:00 pm – July 21, 2010 by Ozric762


Thanks again everyone. Another question that I have that is important to me is country of origin. I know Cooper manufactures in the US, but do the others?

'99 XJ  3" spring pack, GY Duratrac 31x10.5, Ares Fabrication front and rear bumpers.

7:11 am
July 22, 2010


BLKWJLMTD

West of Chicago

Mud Slinger

posts 767

Weeeee said:

Adrian,

 

I remember that hill you had troubles on, how low did you have the tires aired down to?


 

15 LBS I believe..

2002 WJ Limited, 4.7L V8, 3" Iron Rock Offroad Lift, Bilstein 5125 Shocks, Tenneco SS, 17" JK Rubicon Moabs, 255/75R17 BFG KM's, Cobra CB, KOR t-case skid

-DDO since 2009-

12:31 am
August 8, 2010


Casper

Kane County

Grocery Getter

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Post edited 12:32 am – August 8, 2010 by Casper


I ran 31x10.5 STTs for a while.  The load range C ones wear fast.  I liked the tire though, they gripped well even when I was open/open.  Only had one time where I couldn't get the lugs to clean out well.  I ran them all winter and had no problems, just adjust your driving accordingly and you wont have an issue running a mud tire year round.

99 XJ: 3 inch lift, 33's, Aussie locked rear, hacked fenders.

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