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5:11 pm
February 4, 2010
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redline8300
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Same way in Oklahoma. I was towing an empty 2 axle trailer to pick up my 3A and it cost more than double a single vehicle, but oddly it cost the same coming back with the 3A in tow?
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5:18 pm
February 4, 2010
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notoriousDUG
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redline8300 said:
Same way in Oklahoma. I was towing an empty 2 axle trailer to pick up my 3A and it cost more than double a single vehicle, but oddly it cost the same coming back with the 3A in tow?
It's by axle and if you have extra axles they assume you have extra weight and tax you according to the extra wear on the road; it's a rip off when you're empty but it's better then even higher gas taxes.
It always annoys the hell out of me when I have to pay the same for an empty trailer as a loaded one.
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6:40 pm
February 4, 2010
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oddball
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As someone who owns a moderate fleet of semi dump trucks (which occasionally pull 3 axle lowboy trailers, IL & IN iPass fee's are nowhere near the top of my headache list.
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1:20 am
February 5, 2010
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dime
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Wow this topic got thrown around. As for the beginning about a full size spare who has actually tore a sidewall open? I have done some low psi crawling over sharp rocks and never had a problem as for dropping a bead it happens 1 can of starting fluid fixes that and a plug fixes punctures. So with that said have a supples kit with the basics. If you are so unlucky to truly need a spare and don't have one it is your own fault and you shouldn't even drive it on the road anyhow. I know my dime has no spare not even a donut but I trailer it and if I am on the trail and need a tire to limp out of a trail I would hope my friends would help me out and not leave me. I know if I am wheeling with anyone legit I would have no problem winching their hunk of metal and plastic onto my trailer and get them home. That is just how people in this sport are. Now as for the tolls in IL well here is some food for thought the 2 tollways in SoCal the toll is $4.50 for a car. With that said the toll we have here is nothing you can make up a dollar by not waisting it on fuel.
If the "CLUB" is as tight as it should be people shouldn't have to worry about having every little thing. If I am Broke on a trail and need to CB a "friend" for help he is not a wheeling buddy. People who wheel know not to go solo. I know I am always getting home. If you are not retarded anyone can get any vehicle home with enough motivation. I was stupid once wheeling solo in a desert and snapped 2 shocks, 1 ball joint, 2 half shafts and both diffs in one outing it took some time due to no cell signal but I made it home free of charge because people who are in this sport help each other out.
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1:29 am
February 5, 2010
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Moparboy
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Very nicely said Dime, totally agree with you.
Evans :)
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Evans
DDO West chapter (Reaper Crew)
1999 Jeep Cherokee-Trail Rig
I Love Haters
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2:26 am
February 5, 2010
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dime
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Okay I need to get on my soap box agen. So after my last post I thought hey what exactly do they think is the gear you need. All I have to say is wow. I don't run a CB for the reason I said earlier. I have a 20,000lb strap but have you ever seen one snap if you did you would go bigger mine still has a little life in it. But I seen my buddies excursion in 2wd pull one in half trying to pull a dacota out of the mud. As for the full size tire thing it is a good idea but in no way is in more important then a farmjack. Then my next question how out you change your tire with the stock bottle jack in the jeeps? If you tried you would need another thing on the not necessary list which is a first aid kit for when the jeep falls off the jack and on you. Nowhere on the list does it say anything about a cooler with food drink and ice or ziplocks (which are great for trail diff repair to 1st aid). This years thing is safety right. So where is the safety equipment requirements? First aid should be moved up along with fire extinguishers and things like the full size spare, CB, and tow points move down.
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10:03 am
February 5, 2010
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notoriousDUG
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dime said:
Wow this topic got thrown around. As for the beginning about a full size spare who has actually tore a sidewall open? I have done some low psi crawling over sharp rocks and never had a problem as for dropping a bead it happens 1 can of starting fluid fixes that and a plug fixes punctures. So with that said have a supples kit with the basics. If you are so unlucky to truly need a spare and don't have one it is your own fault and you shouldn't even drive it on the road anyhow. I know my dime has no spare not even a donut but I trailer it and if I am on the trail and need a tire to limp out of a trail I would hope my friends would help me out and not leave me. I know if I am wheeling with anyone legit I would have no problem winching their hunk of metal and plastic onto my trailer and get them home. That is just how people in this sport are. Now as for the tolls in IL well here is some food for thought the 2 tollways in SoCal the toll is $4.50 for a car. With that said the toll we have here is nothing you can make up a dollar by not waisting it on fuel.
If the "CLUB" is as tight as it should be people shouldn't have to worry about having every little thing. If I am Broke on a trail and need to CB a "friend" for help he is not a wheeling buddy. People who wheel know not to go solo. I know I am always getting home. If you are not retarded anyone can get any vehicle home with enough motivation. I was stupid once wheeling solo in a desert and snapped 2 shocks, 1 ball joint, 2 half shafts and both diffs in one outing it took some time due to no cell signal but I made it home free of charge because people who are in this sport help each other out.
I have put a stick through a tire sidewall before, it happens.
I have also blown a bead and ruined a wheel to the point there wa sno way it was going to seal again.
This stuff happens; just because it has not happened to you does not mean it does not happen…
Here is the biggest thing; all of the clubs I have been in do not have the full size spare rule to get you home safe but so that your problem on the trail does not make a huge geadache for the rest of the peole in the group. When you are a club doing large runs and events, one that people are sometimes paying to be on it's bad form to have to spend half the day dragging somebody without a proper spare back to a trailer. Persoanlly I always wheel with a full size spare, a good trail tool kit and a decent selection of spare parts because I do not want to be the guy who holds up a trail group because I am not properly prepared.
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7:45 pm
February 5, 2010
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Bucko
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well thats nice im glad u can aford to have parts sithig there gathering dust just in case but i cant but i dont go anywhere with out my tier strap juper cables toos ect neva mind on a trail and it donst give me problems i love towing dead trucks out makes it more fun geting threw with some one els on the back lol
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8:47 pm
February 5, 2010
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notoriousDUG
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Bucko said:well thats nice im glad u can aford to have parts sithig there gathering dust just in case but i cant but i dont go anywhere with out my tier strap juper cables toos ect neva mind on a trail and it donst give me problems i love towing dead trucks out makes it more fun geting threw with some one els on the back lol
It realy doesn't cost much to have a set of junkyard axle shafts, a couple of spare u-joints (I often carry ones I have swapped out, don't tell anyone!), a spare unit bearing or locking hub, some fluids, tune up parts and some other odds and ends in your rig when you wheel and it can make the difference between having a one day or a three day wheeling trip which makes it well worth it to me. It really doesn't cost that much to be prepared and it makes the trail ride so much happier. I don't mind trail repairs and towing people out myself but I would much rather help a friend swap a axle shaft on the side of the trail and have the rest of the day wheeling with them then have to drag him back to the parking lot…
On a side note:
Man can you please use the spell check? It seems like you often have useful stuff to say but to be honest it can be so hard to read your posts I don't think I always get what you are trying to say. It may seem petty but truth be told when you offer and opinion and it is a wreck like the post you made here is I find it hard to put a lot of weight behind your opinions; you obviously aren't an idiot and you are doing yourself a disservice by letting your posts look like that.
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1:55 pm
February 7, 2010
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Truth
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Bucko said:well thats nice im glad u can aford to have parts sithig there gathering dust just in case but i cant but i dont go anywhere with out my tier strap juper cables toos ect neva mind on a trail and it donst give me problems i love towing dead trucks out makes it more fun geting threw with some one els on the back lol
If I an afford spare parts for my rig anybody can. Pretty much any junkyard has a half price day at the U-pull-it yard. That's a good place to score extra front shafts. Leave the hub on when you pull them and then you have extra hubs too. Also remember that most parts for any model jeep are the same. A TJ D30 is the same as an XJ, or grand. Same with a D35. The innards are the same regardless of model. Steering can be pulled as an assembly from the draglink to the tie rods.
Any tool box should have hose clamps, fuses, or zip ties rollin around on the bottom. Trail requirements are just a guide to be prepared. If you're prepared you won't be a burden to the other guys in your group. I will lend out any spare part I have to anyone I see that needs one, but if everybody has the "I'll use some one elses" mentaility then nobody will be prepared. That being said, you can never have absolutely everything and that's where sharing comes in with your trail buddies. That's part of what drew me to this hobby in the first place. I've lent out parts to people I don't even know, and they shipped them back to me. I was pleasantly surprised.
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6:24 pm
February 17, 2010
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billygoat
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jeep03girl said:
bittergenius said:Yeah, I know nothing about towing except that it you tow a car throught a toll booth it will cost you more in toll fare than just driving 2 cars through. Does that may ANY sense at all? WTF?!
They do it based on axles. So having a car on a one axle trailer adds three axles, not two, etc. :)
That why there is one advantage of using I-pass, trailers don't count !
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Bill's Law of Jeep Reproduction: If you take a Jeep apart and put it back together enough times, eventually you will have TWO of them !
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10:10 pm
February 17, 2010
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notoriousDUG
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billygoat said:
jeep03girl said:
bittergenius said:Yeah, I know nothing about towing except that it you tow a car throught a toll booth it will cost you more in toll fare than just driving 2 cars through. Does that may ANY sense at all? WTF?!
They do it based on axles. So having a car on a one axle trailer adds three axles, not two, etc. :)
That why there is one advantage of using I-pass, trailers don't count !
Yeah the do, and if you do it enough they catch it.
Trust me on that one.
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11:35 pm
February 17, 2010
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BP
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Commonly trucks that travel with a load an without will keep 2 I-passes, one for each. They wrap the other in tinfoil so they donht both scan.
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7:28 pm
February 18, 2010
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oddball
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notoriousDUG said:
billygoat said:
jeep03girl said:
bittergenius said:Yeah, I know nothing about towing except that it you tow a car throught a toll booth it will cost you more in toll fare than just driving 2 cars through. Does that may ANY sense at all? WTF?!
They do it based on axles. So having a car on a one axle trailer adds three axles, not two, etc. :)
That why there is one advantage of using I-pass, trailers don't count !
Yeah the do, and if you do it enough they catch it.
Trust me on that one.
Absolutely!
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8:11 pm
February 18, 2010
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oddball
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BP said:Commonly trucks that travel with a load an without will keep 2 I-passes, one for each. They wrap the other in tinfoil so they donht both scan.
I think you meant trailer not "load". For those who may be confused – It doesn't matter whether a trailer or any truck for that matter is loaded or not. iPass rates have nothing to do with weight.
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2:59 am
February 19, 2010
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MetalOne21
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sounds like you guys need a diesel to tow, whats a zj, and who uses a jeep to tow/pull/haul?
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8:42 am
February 19, 2010
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notoriousDUG
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MetalOne21 said:sounds like you guys need a diesel to tow, whats a zj, and who uses a jeep to tow/pull/haul?
A ZJ is the first generation of Grand Cherokee.
 
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4:59 pm
February 19, 2010
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BP
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Sorry, term of speach. Sort of like tractors Bob-tailing vs being "loaded". A trailer is a load on the vehicle.
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5:15 pm
February 19, 2010
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oddball
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I've been in that business for many years and never heard anyone use that term (in that context). As for my personal business, my semi dumps and low-boy's are either loaded or empty.
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5:52 pm
February 19, 2010
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BP
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I've heard it for semi's and tow trucks. I deal with mostly out of state/Canadian truckers. I've heard the term, I've used it. Not saying it's right or wrong. Tow trucks being where they grab the front and the rear axle is still on the road. No trailer,still a load.
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