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12:16 am
January 15, 2010
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bigtrimxj
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ok so i notice on a few pics next to no one really has a winch or true pull point. so who has this stuff beside me? and some people think i got straps i am fine which they do help but pull points are a must
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1:30 am
January 15, 2010
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Moparboy
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We have a few members that have winches, I have a Tabor winch on my ZJ, my XJ also has recovery points. I am actually pretty sure that everyone in our club has some sort of recovery point. I also have snatch blocks, tree savers, etc. Guidelines to DDO when joining us on a trail run is to have the follow—
Winch, if you have one
Tree savers, snatch blocks, tow straps
Recovery points on vehicle which include, d-rings, tow hooks, etc.
Cb is also required.
DDO promotes safe offroading and this year we are planning on having a run for all the new members and to teach them, if they already dont know, how to recovery a vehicle and/or themselves safely with a winch, towstrap (high rating).
Evans :)
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Evans
DDO West chapter (Reaper Crew)
1999 Jeep Cherokee-Trail Rig
I Love Haters
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3:13 pm
January 19, 2010
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TheSecretary
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I have two hooks in the front and one in the back.
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7:03 pm
January 19, 2010
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94XJGUY
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ive got hooks up front, a hitch in the rear, lots of straps and clevises and a hi-lift,
i want a winch sooo bad tho
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 no you dont get it… its a jeep, its never fixed, just less broken
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7:27 pm
January 19, 2010
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bittergenius
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Yeah, everyone at the minumum has recovery points. Its required to go offroading with DDO. I know Helm, Adam & Evans have winches. I know im leaving a few people out…
DDO is actually dedicating 2010 to Safety and Education, so I'm glad you brought it up! You will notice this years meets and events will befocused on that. As we have a lot of newer offroaders we want to stress these 2 points this year. We're looking forward to it!
-Tim
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8:22 pm
January 19, 2010
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oddball
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Post edited 2:28 am – January 20, 2010 by oddball
jeep03girl said:I have two hooks in the front and one in the back.
Just wondering – are those the oem hooks you have? If so, I too have those and was wondering (aside from the fact I don't like the sturdy rear hook location) – are the Wrangler front oem hooks actually strong enuff for recovery? They look weak / cheesy to me.
I plan to get a aftermarket front (winch) bumper and a rear bumper w/ receiver. Then I eventually want a Warn 9.5xp. Otherwise, I have 20' & 30' ft 'Explorer Pro Comp' recovery straps. Guess I need a tree-saver strap & snatch block. Have a cb too.
FWIW, I still consider myself a newb with limited wheeling experience so I'm looking forward to the newb run this season.
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4:02 pm
January 20, 2010
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TheSecretary
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oddball said:
jeep03girl said:I have two hooks in the front and one in the back.
Just wondering – are those the oem hooks you have? If so, I too have those and was wondering (aside from the fact I don't like the sturdy rear hook location) – are the Wrangler front oem hooks actually strong enuff for recovery? They look weak / cheesy to me.
I plan to get a aftermarket front (winch) bumper and a rear bumper w/ receiver. Then I eventually want a Warn 9.5xp. Otherwise, I have 20' & 30' ft 'Explorer Pro Comp' recovery straps. Guess I need a tree-saver strap & snatch block. Have a cb too.
FWIW, I still consider myself a newb with limited wheeling experience so I'm looking forward to the newb run this season.
Yes, mine are the OEM. I have used the back one for recovery but never the front two to be honest. I have seen them used and for mild/moderate stuck they seem to be alright. I would love to have a winch but college prevents that.
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4:16 pm
January 20, 2010
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oddball
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Post edited 10:20 pm – January 20, 2010 by oddball
Oh yeah, I know all about college tuitions having one daughter a grad (Masters) from Nothwestern and another who will earn her BA from UofChicago this year – and she only has 6 more years to go – supposedly.
Anyway, it would be less expensive to just weld a pair of D-Ring mounts to the front bumper. Hey. I might be on to something.
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4:56 pm
January 20, 2010
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94XJGUY
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she actually has used her front hooks… remeber when you pulled john out at the cliffs in the river? i think that they are pletty strong enough and safe, if not then why did jeep put them on there
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no you dont get it… its a jeep, its never fixed, just less broken
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5:45 pm
January 20, 2010
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oddball
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Yeah I'm guessing those oem (front) hooks are adequate, much like their skid plates. Of course most of us know there are much better versions of armor available out there. None the less, the Wrangler front hooks are cheesy compared to the beefy front tow hooks that came on the KJ. Go figure.
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5:53 pm
January 20, 2010
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Truth
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Your front hooks are only there to extract YOU when you get stuck. The rear ones are for extracting/pulling others.
You never want to pull somebody out by backing up. It's a quick way to break a front axle shaft. And yes, the OE TJ hooks work just fine for recovery. They are a little smaller than some of the aftermarket hooks, but they serve their purpose quite well.
You can weld d-rings to a bumper, or clevis rings… But you'll want to make sure you're using a proper clevis tab going all the way through the bumper, welded on both sides. Not to mention you going to want to be very confident in your welding skills, and have the appropriate welder. I've seen welds break under recovery conditions and It's violent!
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6:14 pm
January 20, 2010
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notoriousDUG
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Not only do you want to be sure of the welds but you want to be sure of the bumper as well.
Depending on the bumper I would not always trust a tab welded to it, especially with a side load, even on some of the aftermarket ones our there. If you have a sufficent wall thickness and a sifficent tab with enough weld you can get way without a thorugh tab; some bumpers are not designed in a manner that makes one possible.
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8:06 pm
January 20, 2010
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billygoat
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Agree with going with welded D-rings , I'm running a 9klb Ramsey (synthetic) and pulled myself out of some pretty bad spots with a snatch block running the winch back to my front bumper D-ring. No worries, and yes I always use a line dead weight just in case.
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Bill's Law of Jeep Reproduction: If you take a Jeep apart and put it back together enough times, eventually you will have TWO of them !
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8:14 pm
January 20, 2010
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oddball
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So could I have these mounts http://www.poisonspyder.com/pr…..kletab.php welded to the oem / stock front bumper?
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8:29 pm
January 20, 2010
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Truth
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Post edited 2:31 am – January 21, 2010 by Truth
Not a stocker no. There won't be enough room behind the bumper and they're pretty thin. What kind of vehicle do you have? if you have a wrangler the easier solution is to bolt tow hooks on top of the frame rails. Hooks can be found anywhere, they're less work, and less money. If you really want clevis tabs a lot of aftermarket bumpers come with tabs already in them.
Edit: I just re-read and see you already have tow hooks. Why do you want clevis tabs if you already have tow points?
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11:04 pm
January 20, 2010
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notoriousDUG
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oddball said:So could I have these mounts http://www.poisonspyder.com/pr…..kletab.php welded to the oem / stock front bumper?
No.
Stock bumpers are about one step above sheet metal. Even with with a good weld, which would be hard to do with that kind of difference in material thickness, you are just going to tear the bumper.
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5:04 pm
January 21, 2010
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oddball
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Post edited 11:04 pm – January 21, 2010 by oddball
Truth – As I stated, The front hooks on my Rubicon look cheesy to me.
notoriousDUG – I sent a email to Poison Spyder and here was their reply;
Yes you could do this, you just want to make sure they get welded as close as possible to the frame rails and make sure it is professionally welded.
FWIW, I was just wondering / thinking if welding tabs to the oem bumper could be a cheaper alternative to buying a after-market front bumper. Again, FWIW, I am considering this bumper > http://www.4wd.com/productdeta…..tID=15936#
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5:24 pm
January 21, 2010
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Truth
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Usually the last place you want to get info is the guy trying to sell you something. You can weld tabs to your stocker if you want, but I wouldn't put my winch, or a strap on that to pull you out. If it broke it would be coming back at me. The problem I see with welding a tab in your stocker is when you turn the welder up hot enough for penetration in the tab, you're going to burn through the bumper, or weaken the steel to the point where it will tear under a strong load.
I completely understand wanting to go a cheaper route than a replacement bumper. My budget for vehicle mods is always tight. But for recovery (which is a safety issue) you don't want price being a big factor. I don't use any kid of aftermarket bumper on my rig. I never saw a need. My winch sits on It's plate, and there are tow hooks on either side bolted to the frame rails.
That's a nice looking bumper you posted, but I'm a little confused by the pics. Only one of them showed a bumper with tabs and rings on it. And it doesn't list "welded clevis tabs" in the description. I'm assuming you're looking for that in a replacement?
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5:55 pm
January 21, 2010
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oddball
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Post edited 11:56 pm – January 21, 2010 by oddball
Yeah I took that into consideration and expected the possibility of a sales pitch. But I also took into consideration the companies reputation.
As for the XRC bumper – Not really. I would rely on the winch (Warn 9.5xp) I would mount onto it. If I ever felt the need to add tabs, I would.
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6:02 pm
January 21, 2010
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TheSecretary
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| Mall Crawler | posts 369 | |
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I like that XRC bumper. And the club discount makes a little bit more affordable. I think it would be a nice addition to your Rubi.
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