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10:20 am
February 14, 2010
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notoriousDUG
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Post edited 4:23 pm – February 14, 2010 by notoriousDUG
You deleted a thread posted about another clubs event?
REALLY!?
Seriously guys that is a whole world of lame; all cross posting of events does is give the group it is posted to more trips to go on and make the event larger and more fun. It's a win-win situation and a pretty standard method for clubs to cross promote their events.
Are you that insecure or selfish as a club?
Does DDO have a problem with GLJT or does DDO have an issue with the fact that I was the one who posted it?
GLJT always welcomes anybody to their events regardless of affiliation; I ASSumed the same of DDO but should I plan on skipping your events so you can remain exclusive?
Will this thread stay up and get answered or will you just delete and ban me to avoid dealing with it?
Poor form guys, poor form; I have to say this makes me sorry I ever defended this club or any of you elsewhere on the internet.
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11:06 am
February 14, 2010
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Post edited 5:30 pm – February 14, 2010 by oddball
Well, as someone who doesn't make decisions here, I tend to agree with the Admin's decision to remove that post. It is my opinion this forum is for the member's of DDO and it serves no purpose what-so-ever to post articles, topics, or negative rumors regarding other clubs. For those who are not members here, although they are welcomed here, it is not in the best interest of this club (or any club) to post events and or issues of other clubs – again, regardless of whether they respect a club, or not. Mind you there are some events that are shared and encourage ALL CLUBS to participate in such as Toy4Tots and other charities.
For the record, regarding other club events, most people are aware of the clubs in the area and know how to find them via the internet.
As for respect, I do know for a fact that DDO respects all other local clubs. They respect the fact that each club is entitled to operate their organization whichever way they so chose. Which is exactly what DDO does as a club.
Aside from the fact that I don't believe you or anyone else needs to defend this club, people join DDO, GLJT and other clubs because of the people they meet. (Those who have options open to them anyway). I know that is the reason I joined DDO. It's clear to me this club promotes friendly, family oriented events for active members who share that idea of a good time.
I ask you to post DDO event dates posted on any other club forum. Mind you, these posts need to have been submitted prior to your original post and this reply.
Oh and to the Admin here – feel free to delete this too if you so chose.
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11:55 am
February 14, 2010
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notoriousDUG
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The Toys 4 Tots parade is not a 'sahred event' it is a GLJT event which, like all GLJT events excepting the few 'members runs' they have, anyone is welcome to participate in.
The purpose it serves cross posting is to get events out there and give people a chance to run a trail with new people and give them more options. Why would you not want to have more options? Why would you not want to meet and wheel with more people, more often? It's nice when your schedule prevents you form making one clubs run in a given month to have an option to go on another. It's nice to have a chance to wheel with, and learn from, other people then you normally wheel with.
People often don't know about other clubs in the area. How many of you know about TIJA, Midwest4x4, Great Lakes 4x4, Firewalkers, Terra or any of the other clubs that are in the area? How many of you check their boards enough to know their events? Hell, if it where not for the fact that you guys, allegedly, banned people for disagreeing with the 'wisemen' and, allegedly, talked of illegal wheeling on your board casuing you to be smeared on a couple of other boards I would not even know this club existed and would know nothing of your runs.
Hey, it's your club and it can be run the way you want and you have a choice to be a club that works with other clubs and becomes a part of the larger off roading community or you can be a club that lives in isolation becuase and chooses to not be a part of the bigger picture.
Although I am not sure how much community minded action I can expect to see from a club that cares more about linking to their Facebook page then UFWDA, Tread Lightly or Blue Ribbon…
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12:21 pm
February 14, 2010
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oddball
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As for T4T's, the point was this is an event that welcomes all clubs and promotes all clubs to get the word out to it's members.
You actually have no idea what this club is currently involved in and or it's future. Trust me, the members do and find your opinons worthless in this conversation.
People with a half a brain realize that a club (any club, regardless of type) can only be measured by meeting the members at a event and not simply on a internet forum. I would never join a club based on one persons opinion especially if that person isn't a actual member nor would I pass judgement on speculation or negative rumors by people who were kicked out of this or any club.
Believe it or not, some people actually know how to locate and access clubs thru the internet.
Regardless of club, sharing concerns and participation regarding off-road issues (legal or otherwise) have nothing to do with how a club choses to operate. Member's in this club vote on topics because this club is run by it's members. Regardless of who owns or runs a club, without members, there is no club.
As for your jabs at this club in the last paragraph, the members are laughing at you because of your ignorance and lack of knowledge to what this club is currently involved in and getting involved in.
Rather than rant or whine about this club, have you ever thought maybe it's not for you? We're more about active positive experiences wheeling in a inviting environment and NOT about how many posts we can obtain on a forum.
To both the members and those who are not with a brain, this is the type of negative people I hope we're trying to avoid.
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1:56 pm
February 14, 2010
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oddball said:
As for T4T's, the point was this is an event that welcomes all clubs and promotes all clubs to get the word out to it's members.
Not only T4T's, but all of our events are like that. Like when you guys showed up to our event (T4T) and passed out flyers for your party. I personally don't mind. Do what you want. We encourage anyone that wants to attend to do so in any manner they choose. As long as they bring toys of course.
FWIW, there have been threads about DDO events on The GLJT forum. It wouldn't have even occured to anyone to delete them.
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4:30 pm
February 14, 2010
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oddball
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Truth said:
oddball said:
As for T4T's, the point was this is an event that welcomes all clubs and promotes all clubs to get the word out to it's members.
Not only T4T's, but all of our events are like that. Like when you guys showed up to our event (T4T) and passed out flyers for your party. I personally don't mind. Do what you want. We encourage anyone that wants to attend to do so in any manner they choose. As long as they bring toys of course.
FWIW, there have been threads about DDO events on The GLJT forum. It wouldn't have even occured to anyone to delete them.
I wasn't a member of DDO then. I did however attend T4T's with the group from LOST JEEPS. So I can only give my opinion from what I've seen here the past 24 hours. And like I wrote, I don't make the final decisions here.
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9:35 pm
February 14, 2010
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notoriousDUG
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oddball said:
As for T4T's, the point was this is an event that welcomes all clubs and promotes all clubs to get the word out to it's members.
You actually have no idea what this club is currently involved in and or it's future. Trust me, the members do and find your opinons worthless in this conversation.
People with a half a brain realize that a club (any club, regardless of type) can only be measured by meeting the members at a event and not simply on a internet forum. I would never join a club based on one persons opinion especially if that person isn't a actual member nor would I pass judgement on speculation or negative rumors by people who were kicked out of this or any club.
Believe it or not, some people actually know how to locate and access clubs thru the internet.
Regardless of club, sharing concerns and participation regarding off-road issues (legal or otherwise) have nothing to do with how a club choses to operate. Member's in this club vote on topics because this club is run by it's members. Regardless of who owns or runs a club, without members, there is no club.
As for your jabs at this club in the last paragraph, the members are laughing at you because of your ignorance and lack of knowledge to what this club is currently involved in and getting involved in.
Rather than rant or whine about this club, have you ever thought maybe it's not for you? We're more about active positive experiences wheeling in a inviting environment and NOT about how many posts we can obtain on a forum.
To both the members and those who are not with a brain, this is the type of negative people I hope we're trying to avoid.
You do realize that the T4T parade is a GLJT event, right? I'm not really sure what your point is with T4T because all it shows is that GLJT welcomes everyone to it's site and it's events and enjoys having word of it's events spread far and wide; as most clubs do. Oddly enough GLJT has never really had an issue with other clubs promoting their events on the site, personally I always like it when other groups post stuff to GLJT, it means two things; they recognize we have good traffic and that they think we're so awesome they want us to come to their events.
If my opinion is worthless why do you put so much time into speaking against it? Think about it… You're right though, I don't know what is going on with this club behind the scenes or what your plans are for the future; I only know what I can see from your website. Based on your front page you care more about Facebook and self promotion then you do land use. Based on your forum and behavior you have no desire to work with other clubs and attend or support their events. Based on your actions you are hypocrites; you delete a cross post about GLJT's newbie run but yet you used their T4T event to promote your own club. People make assumptions and judgements based on the things they see and experience and that is what I have seen and experienced with your club to date.
So as far as not being able to judge unless you meet the people does that mean if I visit a site for a new club that promote illegal wheeling all over the place I should not judge them until I meet them? If a member in good standing of a club I am in, one with a reputation for being pretty even tempered and nice, gets booted I shouldn't take their opinion into account regarding that group? Closely related to that do you even come close to practicing what you preach? You obviously judge me but you have never meet me; hello pot, nice to meet you I'm the kettle. Of course based on how friendly and non-judgemental this forum is I can hardly wait to meet people in person! BTW, you guys do realize that people outside of the ones you kicked out
Yes, people can find clubs on the internet all by themselves but how often do they? I never would have known about this club if it was not for seeing it talked about elsewhere and while you may not like me people dropping in like that is exactly how clubs grow.
You're right, how a club is run is up to it's members and you guys, as a club, can choose to run it as you see fit. However, stop and think about a couple of things… What does it say about your club and how does it make you look when you delete posts about other clubs events? How would you feel if other sites deleted posts you made promoting your club? Just curious but do you realize that 4x4 clubs are not a competitions right? Helping one another is good for everyone…
Laugh all you want, it does not change what the preception of your club is. Doyou somehow think I am the only person who sees your club in a certain light? Did it ever occur to all of you as you laughed it up at my expense that I'm just the only one willing to say it here that you have yet to ban…
Oh, hey, look you judged me some more based on just Internet interaction, can you say hypocrisy? Man if I was all about the post count don't you think I would have more posts on my own clubs site? Don't you think that after 10 years on the PBB I would have more then a thousand posts? I've been here a lot because it's held my interest. But to answer your question am I ranting in a whining about how you run your club or am I expressing surprise and outrage at your clubs decision to delete another clubs event? Just curious but if the PBB had come here and promoted their event, or it had not been by me would you have deleted it?
Hmmm, I'm trying to promote wheeling in the area. I try to contribute good tech to every forum I am on. I have been a part of several clubs in the area, GLJT since almost it's birth. I have made life long friends from Jeep and 4x4 clubs and look forward to making tons more; how is any of that negative? Honestly you know nothing about me and I have really not said that much negative here unless prompted by the actions of others here. Is your issue with me that I am 'nagative' or that I have not always agreed with you?
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9:52 pm
February 14, 2010
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oddball
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notoriousDUG said:
If my opinion is worthless why do you put so much time into speaking against it?
Is your issue with me that I am 'nagative' or that I have not always agreed with you?
My opinion supports the Admin who deleted the post.
blah, blah, blah… you're beating a dead horse here.
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9:54 pm
February 14, 2010
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oddball said:
I wasn't a member of DDO then. I did however attend T4T's with the group from LOST JEEPS. So I can only give my opinion from what I've seen here the past 24 hours. And like I wrote, I don't make the final decisions here.
We like as many groups as possible to attend anything we do. Especially TFT. That event has grown in a way that different groups and individuals take ownership of their own participation. It's groups like this one, like LOST, and all the others that are too numerous to mention that make TFT what it has become. So for that, we would like to say thank you. Some people don't even realize that TFT is a GLJT event, and that's fine by me. Our stuff is not about the club per say, but more for the community as a whole. It's about the participants, and when it comes to TFT, more importantly any kid who might not get a present otherwise.
What I find unfortunate is the seperatist vibe I feel in some of the community. Many groups feel they can't co-participate, or co-interact since they are different groups. It was very evident when I was on the board of directors for the Illinois four wheel drive association. It prevented us from getting a lot of things done, which is too bad. The only time I didn't notice it too much was when we were getting the cliffs open and building trails and fences, and during TFT's. Which is nice. I hope it continues.
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10:18 pm
February 14, 2010
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notoriousDUG
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oddball said:
notoriousDUG said:
If my opinion is worthless why do you put so much time into speaking against it?
Is your issue with me that I am 'nagative' or that I have not always agreed with you?
My opinion supports the Admin who deleted the post.
blah, blah, blah… you're beating a dead horse here.
So not only are you ingnoring every point and question in my post but you quoted to questions I asked and then did not answer them? How does that even make sense?
I understand your opinion supports the admin who deleted the post but what does that have to do with anything I said?
Good job falling back on the #1 internet cop out when asked serious questions; ignore them!
Seriously, if I am not supposed to judge your club till I meet the members why do you judge me when you have never met me?
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1:23 am
February 15, 2010
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I was wondering when this big blow out was going to happen, and Jesus it happened right after I deleted your thread about the GLJT newbie run, yes it was, the big mean Moparboy, I am the DDO nazis when it comes to our forum and of course, I have made 3 enemies because of it. DUG, let me put it to you in a very simple way. If DDO now was to post something on GLJT, lets say our newbie run coming up, would people not talk S H I T in it, of course they would. I have always known that the T4T event was a GLJT event, if you didnt know it was a GLJT event in the beginning, by the driver's meeting you would know. I deleted for the simple fact of that, we would as DDO get verbally attacked on your forum and I know this for a fact. Like I will say for the last time, the "guests" that now come on our forum, I have no problem with, I wish it didnt go down the way it did, but management had to do what it had to do for the direction of the club.
As for the outside community judging DDO, well thats going to happen, its called life. Until they meet us in person and not on our forum, they only know us by words not in person. I have no problem with you posting on our forum whatever it is about but you have shown me, that when you do post on our forum, you dont tell tech info or whatever in a nice manner and then it comes back to the whole "thick" skin bs, yes in every forum you go on you will need a thick skin. I have been on 4x4 forums for several years and have gotten attacked but you have come on this forum at times and have upset some of our member, i.e., oddball. Oddball and everyone else who is a member in our club is my first concern, the way they are treated on our forum or any other forum is my concern and I will attck in a manner that I feel fit to. This next comment might get me into trouble with the other 2 wisemen but I have been on GLJT forum before and recently and your members have attacked eachother on the forums and if I'm wrong, please let me know.
We are all in this sport/hobby for one thing, to enjoy it with whoever we come across and given the opportunity give back to the community-T4T-, and I have no problem working with other clubs as long as we get as much respect as we are given. Which brings me to this, at the T4T event, we did pass out flyers to our holiday party–to EVERYONE, to invite everyone to come and hang out with us, some people might have frowned at it but it was not meant to be disrespect to GLJT, I have never spoken a bad word about GLJT ever and I swear on my 2 year old daughter's life on that one. I can see GLJT and DDO working together, possibily this year to give back to the community even more but that depends on a lot of things.
—Can we all get along and not see who is "top dog"
—Can we put the past behind us?
—Can our clubs co-exsist in our neighborhoods
DUG I honestly thought at the time, you were trying to high jack our forum, I have a bad way of my emotions getting the best of me. So this is what I am going to do, I will repost it in our event section but it will be locked so there will be no replys to the event.
Also a little side not, we have always repected the land that we wheel on and expect all our other members to do so as well. Last year, yes we were not part of Tread Lightly but that was because, last year was our first year and we were stilling learning by every meet and greet and every event. This year, will probably be a different story when it comes to those organizations.
I noticed that you have defended us on other forums, well 1 to my knowledge and I thank you for that, it is nice to see a non member on our forum, sticking up for us, so from me thank you. But if you want to talk about the whole "you dont know me" stuff, I have seen on GLJT, when certain events happened, there were members that attacked the 3 wisemen, which would include me, they dont me, so why even comment and its not like I jumped on your forum and attacked those members with typed words. I have taken several attacks from people that dont know me or from people who thought they did know me and yes in come cases I may have spoken back but I never caused a verbial assualt on another forum. My job was verbially attacked and I would love to see some people step in my shoes at the firehouse and do a 24 hour period there, do people really think all we do is sit around and play XBOX 360, I wish, I do my job to save lives and protect my community and for some people to attack that, well, that hurt deeply. Anyways, I am getting a bit off topic.
I apologize for deleting the post made for the GLJT event, it will be put back up but like I said it will be locked from replies. DUG I would also like to apologize to you for it but there has also been may times on this forum that you have attacked our members and caused drama, i.e., the last couple posts. In my opinion and not that you have to but I think you might owe oddball an apology for some recent and past forum post and replies but thats just me, if we all want to enjoy this sport/hobby and enjoy the fact that these 2 clubs can get along, this would be the perfect time to start healing some wounds that have been made. RANT OVER.
Evans :)
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6:51 am
February 15, 2010
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Very well written Evans.
Regarding a apology – I could care less. I submitted and posted my opinions (including the drama ) and I'm done with it. Again, if dug can't figure it out, I could care less. I'm done here.
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11:17 am
February 15, 2010
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Post edited 5:18 pm – February 15, 2010 by crawling94zj
As someone that knows what happened with the other peopel that got thrown out… lame… As evans ranting about his job (more than once) HOW DOES THAT RELATE TO OFFROADING??????? No one gives a crap your a firefighter, no one cares that you were at ground zero, no one cares that you were at katrina. Those were personal choices YOU made, now YOU have to deal with them, you shouldnt impose that stuff onto the rest of us. Grow some thick skin?! Hmm… Sounds like you really need to grow up. Dug – nothing against you, you call it like you see it. The ban people for that. Oddball – Dug wont go off on stuff if you dont give him a reason to… I love when he does, it makes for good reading. And thats about the ONLY thing this place is good for. My time here is done. I have decided this is NOT a club for me, your full of drama. I will no longer be visiting this site.
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11:20 am
February 15, 2010
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notoriousDUG
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crawling94zj said:As someone that knows what happened with the other peopel that got thrown out… lame… As evans ranting about his job (more than once) HOW DOES THAT RELATE TO OFFROADING??????? No one gives a crap your a firefighter, no one cares that you were at ground zero, no one cares that you were at katrina. Those were personal choices YOU made, now YOU have to deal with them, you shouldnt impose that stuff onto the rest of us. Grow some thick skin?! Hmm… Sounds like you really need to grow up. Dug – nothing against you, you call it like you see it. The ban people for that. Oddball – Dug wont go off on stuff if you dont give him a reason to… I love when he does, it makes for good reading. And thats about the ONLY thing this place is good for. My time here is done. I have decided this is NOT a club for me, your full of drama. I will no longer be visiting this site.
While I don't see what the point to mentioning it here reagrding this issue is I actually do give a crap that he is a firefighter and that he at ground zero and the Katrina relief efforts.
I'm not banned yet, maybe it has to do with how you disagree.
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11:35 am
February 15, 2010
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Wow.
Yeah, there was some stuff said on GLJT a while back about DDO. I tried my best to end to end that and it seeemed to work. I don't like that kind of stuff. I don't remember anyone saying anything about Matt's job, I may have missed it, but I don't even know how anyone could ridicule a firefighter?
I haven't seen any members attacking eachother either. I think "giving eachother crap" has been misinterpreted as attacking. That being said, I think a lot of my posts here have been taken the wrong way as well. I probably shouldn't post here anymore. It seems things have gotten confrontational, and that's not my intent.
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12:27 pm
February 15, 2010
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Post edited 6:43 pm – February 15, 2010 by Bucko
crawling94zj said:As someone that knows what happened with the other peopel that got thrown out… lame… As evans ranting about his job (more than once) HOW DOES THAT RELATE TO OFFROADING??????? No one gives a crap your a firefighter, no one cares that you were at ground zero, no one cares that you were at katrina. Those were personal choices YOU made, now YOU have to deal with them, you shouldnt impose that stuff onto the rest of us. Grow some thick skin?! Hmm… Sounds like you really need to grow up. Dug – nothing against you, you call it like you see it. The ban people for that. Oddball – Dug wont go off on stuff if you dont give him a reason to… I love when he does, it makes for good reading. And thats about the ONLY thing this place is good for. My time here is done. I have decided this is NOT a club for me, your full of drama. I will no longer be visiting this site.
wow wtf evans would do anything for the people in the club why the f.u.c.k atack him like that? have you acherly come to a meeting befor you decided to leve? but to be honist after atacking a club member like that im glad you have gone
dug this is ddo for ddo mebers why would i wona know about a GLJT run? if i was intrested in your club i would of gone there to look. i didnt do the t4t because i cared about your club i did it because i felt strongly about the cousre if im honist it was very porly organised, would it of killed you to put a few signs up as to wich gate and then to try and give drivers breff to the drivers of 178 rigs with out a bull horn was crazy…… there was more at the time but i cannot rember it all now
also i gave out flyers just to a bunch of guys who where saying they were sick there managers clame pgrades for the truck as buisines expencise for the club now that id bullshi thats the cid of thimg you nee to be wining about and trying to change not the patheic litle grumbels you seam to have on here
there was non of this arguing before you came along evryone got on grate and infact you have afected how much i come on you arere exatly the kind of person that we are trying to avoid here im shore you just delibratly want to argue here
im am sick of a club that wants to kiss the arse of a non member
an also say o wel dont you want to know my rightups that you said in a difrant post the short anser is no i couldnt give a poop there is nothing you know that i cant find somwere els so dont try to play that card eather
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1:03 pm
February 15, 2010
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1. You do realize that there would have been a blowout if you had not deleted a thread regarding a GLJT event, right? It is not a matter of being big and mean or a nazi or anything else; it is a matter of treating other clubs and wheelers in an adversarial manner. What dod you think was going to happen when you deleted a thread about another clubs event? Oh, FWIW the link was to the thread polling nonmembers that was up so GLJT could make it a better event for other people. GLJT events are open top whoever wants to come to them and the clubs goal is to make it the best possible event for the participants. Just curious but do you guys understand that our newbie run is where we have less fun inorder to help others get more into the hobby? FYI, I am not the guy to contact about the Newbie run, I don't even know when it is! I just put the link up because I figured people here would like to know of an opportunity to go out and wheel!
2. No, a DDO event would not get flamed at GLJT. GLJT discourages people trash talking other clubs on public threads and tries to keep it to a mimum ont he members section as well. Post your events there; I am sure our members and the people that read the forum would welcome more opportunities to wheel.
3. I only brought up the judging thing because all I hear from your members is how I should not judge your club or members by what I see on the internet and have to meet people to have an opinion of them but yet it seems like your members have, without ever meeting me or knowing anything about me, passed judgement on me. Persoanlly I could care less, I just think it looks bad to have the same people who are judging you tell you that you can not judge them by the same standard.
4. Please show me where I attacked your members. No, really, PM me and show me. I may have disagreed with them but I have not attacked any of them. The whole idea of forums like this is for people of different opinions to discus and debate thier sides of the topic so that both sides can learn. If I only read stuff that agreed with me I would never learn anything, what's the point of that? This is not a 'thick skin' issue, it is an issue of being able to exist in real life. The world is a big place and there are a lot of other people in it; if a person cannot handle disagreement they are going to have issues with life in general. Borads where people just agree with each other and stroke each others egos are not only no fun but no one ever learns anything!
5. GLJT is not the most harmonious bunch but show me where wehave recently been attacking each other. No, really PM me and show me because I think that for the most part you guys just see disgreement in general as attacks.
6. It gets you in trouble with the 'management' to visit or participate on our boards? That is freakin' sad.
7. Cross posting to bring people to your event is how you try to work for the greater good and birng people in the hobby together, deleting said posts is not. GLJT is about bringing people together to wheel and nothing else.
8. Why would I hijack your board, what purpose would it serve? GLJT is, basically, and invite only club that requires sponsorship and being voted in; becoming a member of GLJT is not something GLJT takes lightly. There is not some kind of competition here guys, we hope you become a big happy club and do well and the last thing we want is to poach membership. More clubs with more members equal increased pressure when it comes to land use legeslation. The link was there not to hijack your board it was there to include DDO and it's mebers, as a part of the larger wheeling community, in an event GLJT puts on for other people to enjoy.
9. My posts 'attacking' or causing drama have been in reaction to either insults slung at me, deletion of topics there was no reaosn to delete and talking about me and GLJT on your members board (You do realize that people can see posts from them on their google reader, right?)
10. If you think I am not about positive experiences and bring more people into wheeling you really don't know much about me…
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1:05 pm
February 15, 2010
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Moparboy
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| Rock Crawler | posts 1959 |
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Post edited 7:15 pm – February 15, 2010 by Moparboy
I just find it funny how crawlin94ZJ doesnt even get the point but I guess that because he is too good to even post a picture up on our forum. As for NotoriousDUG and truth, I dont mind the 2 guys to be honest. I think truth is a nice guy and likes to stay out of most drama but will step in when needs to and yes maybe some of your posts have been mistaken and/or misread and people have gotten into arguements about it. Same thing with Mr. DUG, he may seem like a guy who thinks he knows everything when it comes to 4 wheeling, hell sometimes he comes off like he invented the f u c k i n g wheel but honestly, I think DUG is probably a nice guy given the chance. He has made many people angry on this forum, including me at times but he has also helped people in the tech section and given good advice and good advice is great for the new comers to this sport/hobby. Though sometimes he may piss off some members, he's on this forum to meet other 4wheelers and lend us his knowledge on the sport.
Which brings me to this (since 94ZJ or whatever his name is, told me to grow up), in the good nature of this hobby/sport, 1 of the 3 wisemen, and usually a nice guy, I say we drop all our issues with eachother, shake hands (i guess kind of hard on the forum), and become friends. Yeah I know its corny but I actually hate seeing this type of stuff to be honest. So in good nature, I would like to extend an invite to Truth and NotoriousDUG to our season kick off party in March, I think it will help if you gentlemen joined us to help heal some wounds that may have been made in this whole ordeal and actually, you know what, I would like to extend the invite even further, I would like to extend to the whole club of GLJT, I think Pap's has enough parking. We are 2 different clubs but the same at the same time.
Truth, DUG, I would also like for you guys to continue to post on this forum, DUG you probably would have been banned from day 1 if this forum was under different management but I didnt want that, I wanted to give everyone a chance. Truth, you know where I stand with you sir. So please continue to post on our forum but lets all try to get along, I know there will be times where people will disagree and thats fine but we dont need to get into a shouting match on the forum like this.
So this is my way of saying………..I LOVE YOU GUYS, lol. OH and Crawling94ZJ the reason why the whole Katrina and 9-11 thing was brought up in the first place was because at the time, there was a bunch of drama going down and I felt that we could argue about other things then those related topics. Also if you must know the reason why I went to 9-11 was because my uncle died there, he is 1 of the 343, so thats probably why I went there, so the only thing I could bring back of my uncle's was his helmet and Katrina, I was helping Americans. But please feel free to post pictures of your ZJ, if you even have one.
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DDO West chapter (Reaper Crew)
1999 Jeep Cherokee-Trail Rig
I Love Haters
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1:13 pm
February 15, 2010
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notoriousDUG
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Truth said:
Wow.
Yeah, there was some stuff said on GLJT a while back about DDO. I tried my best to end to end that and it seeemed to work. I don't like that kind of stuff. I don't remember anyone saying anything about Matt's job, I may have missed it, but I don't even know how anyone could ridicule a firefighter?
I haven't seen any members attacking eachother either. I think "giving eachother crap" has been misinterpreted as attacking. That being said, I think a lot of my posts here have been taken the wrong way as well. I probably shouldn't post here anymore. It seems things have gotten confrontational, and that's not my intent.
Don't you know not agreeing with somebody is a blatant attack on them, their character, their knowledge and, possibly, the breeding of their parents?
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1:44 pm
February 15, 2010
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notoriousDUG
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Bucko said:
dug this is ddo for ddo mebers why would i wona know about a GLJT run? if i was intrested in your club i would of gone there to look. i didnt do the t4t because i cared about your club i did it because i felt strongly about the cousre if im honist it was very porly organised, would it of killed you to put a few signs up as to wich gate and then to try and give drivers breff to the drivers of 178 rigs with out a bull horn was crazy…… there was more at the time but i cannot rember it all now
also i gave out flyers just to a bunch of guys who where saying they were sick there managers clame pgrades for the truck as buisines expencise for the club now that id bullshi thats the cid of thimg you nee to be wining about and trying to change not the patheic litle grumbels you seam to have on here
there was non of this arguing before you came along evryone got on grate and infact you have afected how much i come on you arere exatly the kind of person that we are trying to avoid here im shore you just delibratly want to argue here
im am sick of a club that wants to kiss the arse of a non member
an also say o wel dont you want to know my rightups that you said in a difrant post the short anser is no i couldnt give a poop there is nothing you know that i cant find somwere els so dont try to play that card eather
Believe it or not Bucko there are a lot of people out there and in clubs that enjoy wheeling with people that are mebers of other clubs outside their own. Mr. Stabby is not a GLJT member and was, at one point, part of C4x4 when it existed and often wheels with GLJT. Both clubs attended others events all the time because it was fun for both of us. Did it ever occur to you that the city and management of the lot T4T is held in has rules regarding what can be done for signage? You ever try organizing an event with the city of Chicago?
As for the 'mods' to Jeeps with club money thing: 1) GLJT does not have 'management' or 'owners' it has BOD members which are elected to the positions. 2) The incident in question was years ago and greatly misinterpureted. 3) The person in question is no longe rin the club and before that was removed from the BOD. I am amazed you heard anything about that because no one in GLJT has mentioned or thought about the incident in years; I would bet money that you where speaking ot members of another club that has some former GLJT members in it.
So you, as a club, are trying to avoid people with years of experiance off roading, working on 4x4s and running off road clubs? Sounds logical to me… If I was here to argue you guys would know it; search back through TIJA, Fox Valley or the Chitown Racing off road forum and you can see what it's like then I want to argue. I came here to be helpful and contribute and have done so.
Sorry you don't want to know anything I know because I have a lot of good tech info stored in my head, as well as a wealth of information about running clubs, buildign trails and holding events; but hey it's your choice to stay not learn.
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