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1:09 am
April 11, 2011
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Bentley
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Need help in choosing a lift kit. Did some research on Rough country and everyone seem to like them but they sag after a bit. im wanting to spend around 600. anyone have any ideas? i drive a 07 jk
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2007 wrangler X with Trac-lock
265/75-16 guard dog
1.5 spidertrax wheel spacer
2" OME lift kit / teraflex discos
JKS adj track bars / B&M Cooler
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1:35 pm
April 11, 2011
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94XJGUY
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How big are looking to go?
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 no you dont get it… its a jeep, its never fixed, just less broken
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5:34 pm
April 11, 2011
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oddball
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Post edited 5:44 pm – April 11, 2011 by Whats Next?
Not sure what you're driving? So I can't offer much help at this point.
On that note, I have no clue where you're reading / hearing people seem to like Rough Country lifts but it's not from any Jeep / 4x4 forum I've ever been on. Then again, I am a firm believer the (real) reason people like RC products is because they're priced cheap. Of course these same people will later learn that the purchase price of their lift is only the beginning when it comes to cheap. That's what I've learned from Jeep forums I've been on.
I'm also a believer that people should wait (ie; save money) to buy a quality lift. You're going to replace the cheap crap with better stuff (anyway) sooner than later, so why not wait and spend your money wisely? That (really) wasn't a question (to anyone).
A lift isn't the most important item most 4x4's need. Skid plates and recovery items should be first before any suspension lift. If you're diffs are open, I would consider a locker(s) before a lift. But if you have these (important) mods covered, then start saving for a quality lift kit.
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6:43 pm
April 11, 2011
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Moparboy
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I agree with Jerry. You may have done research and come to the conclusion that Rough Country is the way to go but honestly, their stuff is junk. You also have to consider how high you would like to go like Justin said because the higher you go, the angle of your driveshaft is going to go and that will need to be corrected. I would keep doing research on lifts. Or save up for a lift and put some money towards recovery points, skids, or even engine performance. I would look into companies like Iron Rock Offroad, CSL offroad, Rusty's and even Skyjacker. You have to also look at it this way, you get what you pay for.
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8:30 pm
April 11, 2011
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jknutter
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OK I'll be the whipping boy here… I have the Rough Country 2 1/2 inch Progressive lift, a 1 inch Motor lift, and a 1.25 in Body Lift on my Wrangler and so far no complaints. In fact I worked directly with Jeffrey off of Jeep Forum when I ordered this stuff and he was extremely helpfull and even sent me some 3/4 inch spacers free of charge to help level out the Jeep. I have read that some people didn't get the full 2 1/2 inches (like myself) or the shocks leaked after a short period of time – but RC stepped up and replaced the faulty items free of charge (hence free 3/4 inch spacers). There is a 30 some page thread on this lift in the TJ part of Jeep Forum and most of the posters where happy with the end result. I've been running my lift now for 3 years and other than some paint popping off of the coil springs I have had NO trouble with any of it.
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11:56 pm
April 11, 2011
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Bentley
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im just wanting 2.5 lift. was thinking a spacer kit with some fox shocks. if i go 3" ill have to do alot more than i want. i just want a lil more clearance and articulation. but yea i have stock trac-lock. i kno its not a full lock but so far im pretty happy in how it preforms. i do need to upgrade my axels. but that cost some serious cash. lol
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2007 wrangler X with Trac-lock
265/75-16 guard dog
1.5 spidertrax wheel spacer
2" OME lift kit / teraflex discos
JKS adj track bars / B&M Cooler
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12:49 am
April 12, 2011
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94XJGUY
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i started with a RC 3 inch lift on my xj (coils in the front and AAL in the rear, the AAL sagged like no other but then again what AAL wont but the coils have shown no sign of sagging) i think for the money you pay for RC its not that bad of product and ive had no real complaints… even their cheap shocks that i got with my lift are still fine. but too each his own and ultimately it is up to you and you alone as far as what you feel is best for your situation and your jeep…
since buying my first lift i upgraded to rustys 3.5 in AAL and even those are begining to sag; however i will continue to go the AAL route until i can afford the good stuff (because im a poor college student) but for now its working just fine, anyway…
to go along with what jerry said, some other more meaning full mods such as a full locker may be a priority, i just put a spartan locker in my front axle and let me tell you i wish i would have done that before anything else, not only will it make your jeep perform better but it will force you to be a better driver which is ultimately the best mod in the end. and with the way the new wranglers are you really dont need much lift to fit bigger tires or to get better articulation (articulation will come from the mobility of your suspension not the height…maybe a set of sway bar disconnects would be abetter route insted of a lift), so i guess my advice would be to get disconnected and locked before lifting… at least int he case of the JK wranglers
sorry for rambling
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no you dont get it… its a jeep, its never fixed, just less broken
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1:21 am
April 12, 2011
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Bentley
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haha no worries. yea i have teraflex discos. so half that. but would it be wise to put a locker on a dana 30? i have that trac lock in the rear. and im not going any bigger than 265-75-16 (32"tires) i do have stock tranny skid plate. i guess i do need oil pan skid plate. i do want new front and rear bumper for better looks and recovery points.
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2007 wrangler X with Trac-lock
265/75-16 guard dog
1.5 spidertrax wheel spacer
2" OME lift kit / teraflex discos
JKS adj track bars / B&M Cooler
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6:39 am
April 12, 2011
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Weeeee
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Post edited 6:44 am – April 12, 2011 by Weeeee
Everyone has opinions and usually people only complain on forums about products and rarely praise them. They going to forums for help because they are having a problem and they are not on the forum posting about it because they are happy.
RC is not Junk it is priced appropriately, and they honor their Warranty. The issue with the 2.5 RC lift is the front springs, they are progressive rate and as soon as you add weight up front they tend to sag.
The shocks are a bit harsh for my taste but many people like them.
I had an RC 2.5 lift for about a year and a half and it served me well. I had a shock issue early on and they sent me two new shocks after about a 30 second conversation. They have excellent customer support, which is hard to come by these days.
Spend a little time and figure out where you want to go with your rig. How big of tires do you want, do you want to crawl rocks, etc.
Really the first thing anyone should do is add some armor underneath, hardly anyone does it, because it's not exciting, but it is the smartest thing to do.
Getting locked is expensive and honestly you will learn to wheel better open, you have to pick your lines better and I have seen and personally out driven people with lockers. Some guys fully locked just point and shoot, not much skill there, well at least in my opinion. To Justin's point you can do a lunchbox locker upfront for cheap vs Air locker etc., I have one and it work's great.
Disconecting the front sway bar tremendously increases articulation and keeps all 4 wheels on the ground which reduces slippage in open diffs. Don't disconect the rear sway bar on a wrangler it does not help with articulation and can cause wranglers to roll unless heavily modified, Cherokees's may be different here.
Doubt I have helped much but hopefully everyones points have made you think about it a little more. I would say get some Quick disconnects and some armor like an engine skid at minimum, since you should have a T-case and gas skid stock. Then save the money and do some reasearch and buy a higher quality lift, or a more complete lift.
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11:59 am
April 12, 2011
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Bentley
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thanks everyone for the Input. im going to get a oil pan skid and maybe a radiator skid since my plastic one didnt survive the first go around at the cliffs. i might just cut my front bumper to a stubby and trim sound fenders. just to set it out from other jk.
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2007 wrangler X with Trac-lock
265/75-16 guard dog
1.5 spidertrax wheel spacer
2" OME lift kit / teraflex discos
JKS adj track bars / B&M Cooler
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3:11 pm
April 12, 2011
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oddball
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Post edited 3:16 pm – April 12, 2011 by Whats Next?
Hey "whipping boy", weren't you telling me last year those RC 2.2 shocks were so bad during the winter you had to rip them out? And that your wife refused to ride in the Rubi until you did something about those RC shocks?
Bently - Assuming you have a 4.0 (doesn't matter which Jeep for this part is universal), I highly recommend this AEV Oil Pan Skid Plate. It is less expensive than a full engine skid plate AND provides more clearance than a full engine skid plate. Finally the other "pro" to running this skid plate is that it protects the oil pan, the thing all engine skid plates are made to protect because rip open a oil pan and your done. A smart choice to consider.
Also, as for going with a lift, consider OME (Old Man Emu). You can get 2.0" – 2.5" of lift with their high quality springs & shocks, with either a light, medium or Heavy Duty spring rate set-up. All at the same price. Only "con" for me regarding their shocks are the yellow color. Otherwise it's one of the most popular and highest quality lift kits (especially for Wranglers) that cost more than the cheap crap but won't break the bank either. Some people prefer to live & learn the (unnecessary) expensive way. So obviously "opinions" will vary.
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3:19 pm
April 12, 2011
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97flexy
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Post edited 3:44 pm – April 12, 2011 by 97flexy
STAY AWAY from rough country its very cheap. I've had one of there lifts in the past never again will I buy any of there stuff. my leaf packs were fanning out and sagging, when I called the company they told me they were supposed to do that, and I had to cut the truck(ford) to fit the tires they told me would fit with no trimming. Never once have a ever had a leaf spring pack separate on me or sag that much being that new. other than RC. i never recommend them to anyone for any of there parts, I never had one on a Jeep. But on the diesel Ford they did not serve me well.
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3:23 pm
April 12, 2011
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oddball
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Post edited 3:25 pm – April 12, 2011 by Whats Next?
Bently – Should you decide on the AEV oil pan skid, if you are an official member of DDO, call Quadratec to order. Tell them you're a member (if so, they will have your name & telehone number on file) and they are going to tell you they cannot give discounts on AEV products. What they did for me was ship them free. FWIW, the free shipping actually saved me more money than the DDO club discount of 10%.
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3:28 pm
April 12, 2011
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oddball
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Dan, I too can only comment that RC's customer service was a friggin' joke.
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5:50 pm
April 12, 2011
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94XJGUY
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Whats Next? said:
Also, as for going with a lift, consider OME (Old Man Emu). You can get 2.0" – 2.5" of lift with their high quality springs & shocks, with either a light, medium or Heavy Duty spring rate set-up. All at the same price. Only "con" for me regarding their shocks are the yellow color. Otherwise it's one of the most popular and highest quality lift kits (especially for Wranglers) that cost more than the cheap crap but won't break the bank either. Some people prefer to live & learn the (unnecessary) expensive way. So obviously "opinions" will vary.
chad just order a dual steering stabilizer kit for his wj from old man emu and those 'shocks' were white and looked just like rustys off road or RCs base line shocks, so maybe they are getting away from the ugly yellow color
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no you dont get it… its a jeep, its never fixed, just less broken
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7:27 pm
April 12, 2011
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Weeeee
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WOW total polar opposites of opinions on here on RC, interesting….
Old man EMU is definatley one or the best lifts for a 2.5", get heavy rate springs if you ever plan on adding body armor, winch and bumpers.
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7:31 pm
April 12, 2011
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Weeeee
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97flexy said:
STAY AWAY from rough country its very cheap. I've had one of there lifts in the past never again will I buy any of there stuff. my leaf packs were fanning out and sagging, when I called the company they told me they were supposed to do that, and I had to cut the truck(ford) to fit the tires they told me would fit with no trimming. Never once have a ever had a leaf spring pack separate on me or sag that much being that new. other than RC. i never recommend them to anyone for any of there parts, I never had one on a Jeep. But on the diesel Ford they did not serve me well.
Kinda hard to compare leaf springs on a Ford diesel truck to coil springs for a JK.
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8:32 pm
April 12, 2011
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Ggg
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Post edited 8:39 pm – April 12, 2011 by Ggg
Agreed it is not a direct comparison but it still speaks for RC product quality. BDS makes some pretty good products, Zone off road is the "off brand" branch of BDS. Same goes for Black diamond, they are owned by Superlift.
If I had to recommend some companies I would say; T&T customs, BDS/Zone, Fabtech, Rusty's, Black diamond/Superlift. Sure there are some higher priced lifts like AEV but these are within a normal man's budget.
Just for the record I have a bastard lift; I copied T&T customs design and used their frame mounts, made my own arms, used Skyjacker 6" rear springs and "old school" Tuff country FSB/F150 8" front springs, with Zone shocks. So far I am happy except my rear shocks are too soft (too much bounce) but the ride is nice and smooth.
I have heard of bushing and squeaking issues with Full Traction, but I bet they just need lube.
**Get the best lift you can afford, this is not the place to skimp on quality. No matter whose lift you get have a full 4 wheel alignment done by a good reputable shop. I know B-line on Chicago St. in Elgin is a good alignment shop. **
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98 TJ AX15/231sye, D60, Sterling 10.25 axles, Detroit lockers, 7" lift, Cummins 4bt engine, double triangulated 4 link rear, Y link radius arm front suspension, tires 37"-41".
48 CJ2A D30nt, AMC20nt w/lock right, Kaiser 231v6, T90/D18, 33x14 boggers
46 CJ2A D25, D41, L head Go Devil 4cyl, T90/D18, PTO, 6.5-16 tires.
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8:04 am
April 13, 2011
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jknutter
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Jerry you are correct when I installed the lift it was fall and when the cold set in those 2.2 shocks were brutal. I ran about a year without them but after blowing one of the Monroe replacements I put them back in. Now that they have seen some milage they have loosened up and much more tolerable. The wife doesn't like riding in the Rubi because it rides like a jeep. With it's short wheelbase it makes certain body parts bounce out of control which makes it very hard for me to concentrate on driving……..
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1:26 pm
April 13, 2011
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Bentley
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yea ill check out some skid plates for my oil pan. thanks for the tips guys and gals
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2007 wrangler X with Trac-lock
265/75-16 guard dog
1.5 spidertrax wheel spacer
2" OME lift kit / teraflex discos
JKS adj track bars / B&M Cooler
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