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Axle Wrap Solutions.

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6:18 pm
April 13, 2011


Tony M

Grand Rapids, MI

Mud Slinger

posts 545

I'm looking to solve my axle wrap problem this summer.  I have tried the Sam's Offroad traction bar and I don't have enough room for that.  Was wonder if anyone made something or know of a solutions that works okay.  Not really looking to do a link suspension just yet.

79 CJ 7 – Stock

9:06 pm
April 13, 2011


beezz

chicago

Grocery Getter

posts 45

well tony, not familiar with leaf spring jeeps but worked for my zuks

fabricate a crossmember on the frame to make the traction bar fit

add a leaf to your springs to stiffin them up a bit, i've used the 3rd leaf on a pack and you still got flex and tightens up the rear from twisting

all else fails….. let up on the skinny pedal

good luckLaugh

02 jeep TJ, 4"RC lift, 33"trxssr, on DC DC-1black, homemade sliders,

87 zuk, 10" lift, 35" pcxt on black steelies, 4.88 gears in 9.5" yotas with lockers front and rear, 4.13 t case, 2.0 motor w/ auto Tranny, rollcage/sliders

9:14 pm
April 13, 2011


Electric Stooge

DDO West/Platteville

Moderator

posts 835

all i can think of is fiting some ladder bars

Mitch(1 of 3 stooges)

 

00' XJ, 5.5" Long arm, 32×11.5×15, 4.0l

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10:36 am
April 14, 2011


94XJGUY

Elgin IL.

Mud Slinger

posts 601

like mitch said get/make some custom ladder bars, thers a guy in our area that custum makes them for his power stroke and his design is pretty sweet let me know if your interested and ill make a sketch of what they look like for ya scan them in and put up on here

no you dont get it… its a jeep, its never fixed, just less broken

3:09 pm
April 14, 2011


Tony M

Grand Rapids, MI

Mud Slinger

posts 545

Problem is;  I don't have room for a ladder bar setup, already tried it.  I just found out about a Bam Bar http://www.jeepaholics.com/tech/bambar/ I'm thinking about going this route.

79 CJ 7 – Stock

3:48 pm
April 14, 2011


94XJGUY

Elgin IL.

Mud Slinger

posts 601

that looks like it would work too

no you dont get it… its a jeep, its never fixed, just less broken

5:42 pm
April 14, 2011


jknutter

DDO North Chapter

Moderator

posts 565

Wouldn't ladder bars take away all your flex?

2005 TJ Rubicon http://www.theknutters.com

7:27 pm
April 14, 2011


beezz

chicago

Grocery Getter

posts 45

the bam bar looks like it would work…. as long as you relocate your fuel tank.

02 jeep TJ, 4"RC lift, 33"trxssr, on DC DC-1black, homemade sliders,

87 zuk, 10" lift, 35" pcxt on black steelies, 4.88 gears in 9.5" yotas with lockers front and rear, 4.13 t case, 2.0 motor w/ auto Tranny, rollcage/sliders

8:31 pm
April 14, 2011


Tony M

Grand Rapids, MI

Mud Slinger

posts 545

beezz said:

the bam bar looks like it would work…. as long as you relocate your fuel tank.


Goes in front of it.

79 CJ 7 – Stock

8:45 pm
April 14, 2011


beezz

chicago

Grocery Getter

posts 45

well i guess you got some room under there…Laugh

02 jeep TJ, 4"RC lift, 33"trxssr, on DC DC-1black, homemade sliders,

87 zuk, 10" lift, 35" pcxt on black steelies, 4.88 gears in 9.5" yotas with lockers front and rear, 4.13 t case, 2.0 motor w/ auto Tranny, rollcage/sliders

10:10 pm
April 14, 2011


97flexy

N.W. burbs

Mall Crawler

posts 207

That bam bar looks like your best option, I think ladder bars kinda defeat the purpose of a lift cause than you got something else down there to get hung up on.

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1:47 am
April 15, 2011


slander

Bolingbrook, Il

Daily Driver

posts 164

jknutter said:

Wouldn't ladder bars take away all your flex?


Theres a shackle on the end where it attaches to the crossmember.  If the ladder bar is properly setup it wont limit flex and still work.  If you dont set it up right, it will either limit your flex, and or not work. 

2002 Toyota Tacoma extended cab TRD, V6, 5spd. OME 882s, winch, sliders, skids, 255/85/16 BFG KMS, Marlin/inchworm Dual transfer cases with 4.7:1 gears. 12:1 Rules!! Still in all of its IFS glory!!

2:52 pm
April 15, 2011


Tony M

Grand Rapids, MI

Mud Slinger

posts 545

slander said:

jknutter said:

Wouldn't ladder bars take away all your flex?


Theres a shackle on the end where it attaches to the crossmember.  If the ladder bar is properly setup it wont limit flex and still work.  If you dont set it up right, it will either limit your flex, and or not work.
 


Yeah….  MORE and Sam's offroad make these but they are too long for my application, so I'm stuck doing a custom job anyway.  I like the Bam Bar idea but the ladder bar with a custom crossmember seems easier.

79 CJ 7 – Stock

9:17 pm
April 15, 2011


Ggg

Belvidere,IL

Daily Driver

posts 186

Post edited 9:30 pm – April 15, 2011 by Ggg


Post a picture of your rear suspension, without the tire mounted. I am familiar with the bam bar but not a fan of it. How bad is your axle wrap? There are several ways to control it, just depends on how you want to accomplish that. One method I like much better than a bam bar is a product called Cal-Tracs. Look them up, I do not mean to buy but rather copy their design. I have used them on my truck when I was truck pulling. I could leave them on all the time with no ill effects to my ride quality. I mounted mine on top of my axle spring plate and ran the bar above the springs to the front spring mount. No welding on cast steel either like with the Bam bar.

98 TJ AX15/231sye, D60, Sterling 10.25 axles, Detroit lockers, 7" lift, Cummins 4bt engine, double triangulated 4 link rear, Y link radius arm front suspension, tires 37"-41".

48 CJ2A D30nt, AMC20nt w/lock right, Kaiser 231v6, T90/D18, 33x14 boggers
 

46 CJ2A D25, D41, L head Go Devil 4cyl, T90/D18, PTO, 6.5-16 tires.

10:04 am
April 17, 2011


Tony M

Grand Rapids, MI

Mud Slinger

posts 545

Axle wrap isn't too noticeable in four wheel drive, but when I was doing holeshot runs in the back yard in 2wd you could hear the yoke ears slapping together.  I stuck my head under the jeep when I was doing it and could see the axle bending up.  So I guess its pretty bad.Laugh  

Cal tracs look easy to do, but they also look like they could bind up.  Let me know what you think.

 

79 CJ 7 – Stock

1:15 pm
April 17, 2011


Ggg

Belvidere,IL

Daily Driver

posts 186

In what way do you think the Cal tracs will bind?

98 TJ AX15/231sye, D60, Sterling 10.25 axles, Detroit lockers, 7" lift, Cummins 4bt engine, double triangulated 4 link rear, Y link radius arm front suspension, tires 37"-41".

48 CJ2A D30nt, AMC20nt w/lock right, Kaiser 231v6, T90/D18, 33x14 boggers
 

46 CJ2A D25, D41, L head Go Devil 4cyl, T90/D18, PTO, 6.5-16 tires.

2:21 pm
April 17, 2011


Tony M

Grand Rapids, MI

Mud Slinger

posts 545

Post edited 2:49 pm – April 17, 2011 by Tony M


Leaf springs move a little front to back when the suspension cycles.  The solid bar looks like it would keep the axle from moving.  I could be wrong, I've never really seen these in action.

How would you invert cal tracs to keep from losing ground clearance?

79 CJ 7 – Stock

4:12 pm
April 17, 2011


Ggg

Belvidere,IL

Daily Driver

posts 186

Post edited 4:15 pm – April 17, 2011 by Ggg


The front end of the bar is attached to a "link" that pivots a little allowing the bar to extend or shorten slightly. How much the link moves is limited so only a small amount of motion is allowed before it stops against the spring. Considering how flat your springs are there really isn't much forward or rearward motion in your suspension as the axle travels up and down. It would be different if you had a lot of spring arch. I would bet you only have 1/8" of movement with your springs. With that little amount of movement I would just forgo the link and mount the bar solid in front with a rubber bushing in the rear. I would drill another hole above your current spring F. mount and mount the bar there. As long as the bar is the same length as the distance from your axle c/l to the front mount c/l then the bar doesn't need to have any provision to lengthen or shorten. It will be the same length as the radius your axle moves in for the most part, hence the rubber bushing.

IIRC the Dodge pick up and I know the Ford Superduty use a spring over axle suspension. Look for a picture of their mounts and you will see how it would work with the bar above the spring. That way you will not loose any ground clearance. But you will have to make a new bump stop.

98 TJ AX15/231sye, D60, Sterling 10.25 axles, Detroit lockers, 7" lift, Cummins 4bt engine, double triangulated 4 link rear, Y link radius arm front suspension, tires 37"-41".

48 CJ2A D30nt, AMC20nt w/lock right, Kaiser 231v6, T90/D18, 33x14 boggers
 

46 CJ2A D25, D41, L head Go Devil 4cyl, T90/D18, PTO, 6.5-16 tires.

2:13 pm
April 18, 2011


Tony M

Grand Rapids, MI

Mud Slinger

posts 545

yeah….makes sense.  Thanks

79 CJ 7 – Stock

7:35 pm
April 18, 2011


beezz

chicago

Grocery Getter

posts 45

very nice write up !!!! i like it ALOTCool

02 jeep TJ, 4"RC lift, 33"trxssr, on DC DC-1black, homemade sliders,

87 zuk, 10" lift, 35" pcxt on black steelies, 4.88 gears in 9.5" yotas with lockers front and rear, 4.13 t case, 2.0 motor w/ auto Tranny, rollcage/sliders



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